In response to email from the owner of a site:
The questions are asked:
Who is the single person Lord God who directly appears to and covenants with God's people in the entire Bible? Who is the single person being called upon, prayed to, worshipped and served by the people of God in the entire Bible from the Old Testament to the New Testament unto the heavens and unto the new creation in eternity?
An outline was sent to us which, we suppose, is designed to allegedly give answers the above questions, as provided by Mario I. Quitoriano, evidently of "The Trinitarian All for Jesus Ekklesia Of the Lord God." The outline appears to be addressed to "oneness" believers, rather than those who believe in the Hebraic application to John 1:1, and other scriptures in which the words for "God" may be seen to apply to Jesus. We are of the latter (Hebraic) class, and while we believe in the Biblical oneness of Jesus and his God, we do not believe that Jesus is his God.
We first ask our readers to study the scriptures presented at:
Under "The Trinitarian Teaching of the Bible", we actually do not find any scriptures that present "the trinitarian teaching of the Bible", since in reality there is no "trinitarian teaching of the Bible." What we are provided with are scriptures where the imaginations of men are added with assumptions by which the reader is expected to filter the scriptures so that the reader may assume, add to, and read into those scriptures the extra-Biblical doctrine of men. Not one scripture is presented in which the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is presented as being more than one person, or three persons, although that thought is being read into a lot of scriptures.
In our discussion here, we will not be giving any detailed discussion on the scriptures presented, but we will provide links to where one may find more information concerning the scriptures.
The Plurality of Elohim
We are evidently being asked to believe with our imagination that the plural form ELOHIM denotes that God is three persons; the plurality of ELOHIM doesn't means "persons" -- it means "gods". Like several words in the Hebrew, the plural forms of EL are often used in a singular setting to denote superiority or the superlative. This is called the plural intensive. It means that a plural form is used in a singular sense, but that the meaning is intensified so as to denote either the superior or superlative.
We are presented with the following scriptures to allegedly support the erroneous idea that in some imagined way ELOHIM is supposed to mean the three alleged "persons" of the only true God; we present the scriptures with links to further discussion.
Genesis 1:26
Genesis 3:22; 11:6,7
Jesus is indeed depicted in the New Testament as the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of God's creatures (Colossians 1:15); Jesus is not depicted as the "only true God" who sent Jesus. (John 17:1,3) Yes, no human has ever seen the only true God (Yahweh / Jehovah) at any time, and Jesus, being fully obedient to the only true God, is figuratively in the bosom of the only true God; however, humans have seen Jesus in terrestrial, human glory, thus Jesus is not the only true God whom no man has seen (John 1:14,18; 1 Corinthians 15:40; Hebrews 2:9) -- the son of the only true God (Luke 1:32,35; John 10:36), Jesus, declared to men the words of Yahweh (Jehovah), the only true God. -- Deuteronomy 18:15-19; Matthew 11:27,28; John 1:18; 3:34; 14:10; 17:1,3,4.
John 1:1 with is presented with trinitarian assumptions added. See:
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Jesus is indeed the only begotten of the only true God. (John 1:14; 16:28; 17:1,3) Before becoming flesh, Jesus did indeed have the celestial glory alongside the only true God whom he was with, which glory he did not have while in the days of his flesh. -- John 1:1,2; 17:1,3,5; 1 Corinthians 15:40; Hebrews 5:7.
Having sacrificed once for all time his terrestrial glory (Hebrews 2:9; 10:10) as a human being, the only true God raised up Jesus' soul from the Bible hell (Acts 2:24,25,27,32; Psalm 16:8-10), and Jesus was made alive, not in the flesh, but in the spirit (1 Peter 3:18), and now again enjoys the celestial glory, having sit down at the right hand of the only true God, Yahweh (Jehovah). (Psalm 110:1; Acts 2:34; Ephesians 1:20-22; Hebrews 12:2; 1 Peter 3:22; Revelation 3:21) None of this means that Jesus is Yahweh (Jehovah), at whose right hand Jesus now sits.
Yahweh willing, we will be adding more to this in response to the rest of the scriptures and points presented by Mr. Quitoriano in the study sent to us.
Coming (Yahweh willing):
Did Jesus Teach a Plurality of his God, making himself a person of his God?
The Everlasting Covenant & the Alleged Plurality of God
The One Yahweh Who spoke to Moses (and to Israel through Moses.)
Yahweh and the Three Men Who Appeared to Abraham
The Hebrew Word Echad
http://reslight.net/forum/index.php/topic,137.0.html
Jesus and Ehyeh
http://reslight.net/forum/index.php?action=search2
