Wednesday, May 17, 2017

Response to "Evidence for Christianity"

In response to:
Although the page is directed toward Jehovah's Witnesses (we are not with that organization), we have found so much false information on this page, that we feel a need to respond to what is being said there.
The name of the page is entitled:
How do I show to my Jehovah Witness friend that Jesus is not the Archangel Michael?
Although we are not with the Jehovah's Witnesses, we believe that the Christian scriptural evidence does indeed lead to the conclusion that Jesus is Michael the Archangel. What is not discussed on the page is the fact tht most of the protestant reformers believed that Jesus is Michael. Thus, this teaching is not something new or unique with the Jehovah's Witnesses, although the reformers usually attributed the Archangel as being uncreated. Since we have discussed all concerning this that is presented on by "Evidence for Christianity" elsewhere, we refer to:
The true scriptural evidence of Christianity as found in the Bible is that Jesus is not Ehyeh, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and that he is God's firstborn creature. Jesus is indeed now exalted high above the angels, he is no longer a little lower than the angels as he was while in the days of his flesh. I do not believe that in the scriptures Jesus has never been of the class that is referred as "angels" in Hebrews 1.
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The part that of even greater to concern to us, however, are those statements made concerning Charles Taze Russell.
Was Russell the Founder of the Jehovah's Witnesses, as claimed on that page?
No, he was not.
Did Russell Teach That Only His Followers Are Saved?
Absolutely NOT! This appears to be attributing the teaching of the JWs to Russell. Indeed, he believed in the ransom for all. What Russell taught was almost the opposite of what the Jehovah's Witnesses teach.
See:
Did Russell use language that was unique to his movement, such as the word "Jehovah"?
We would say that every denomination, sect, or movement has some language that is unique to that particular group; however, "Jehovah" -- God's Holy Name as found in the King James Version and the American Revised Version (now American Standard Version) was not at all unique to Russell or the Bible Students movement at all.
See our research regarding:
Additionally, we highly doubt that Russell would have ever thought of the Bible Students' movement as being "his movement".
Did Russell predict the end of the world for 1914, using Daniel 8:14?
Absolutely NOT! Russell presented several lines of Biblical prophecies that lead to the year 1914, but Daniel 8:14 was not one of them.
See:
However, it is misleading to say that Russell was expecting the end of the world in 1914, although one could draw such a conclusion from his earlier statements. In 1876, Russell accepted and adopted Barbour's conclusion that the time of trouble was to end in 1914. However, in 1904, ten years before 1914, Russell rejected that idea and came to believe that the time of trouble was to begin, not end, in 1914, and that the finally passing away of the present heavens and earth would be sometime after 1914. Although Russell, from the first issue of his magazine, preached against the traditional "end of the world" as preached by most Adventists, one could definitely say that after1904 Russell was NOT expecting "the end of the world" in 1914. Russell did not, however, believe the "end of world" -- Armageddon -- as the Jehovah's Witnesses teach it; he was not expecting millions of unbelievers to be eternally destroyed.
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When the end of the world did not come in 1914, did Russell say that "we have entered the Investigative Judgement"?
First of all, Russell was NOT expecting the end of the world to come in 1914, nor did he change his view concerning the beginning of the time of trouble as beginning in 1914. He died in 1916 still with the belief that the time of trouble had begun in 1914, just as he believed before 1914, except that in 1915 he appears to have separated the battle of Armageddon from time of trouble, in that he presented the battle as being the final phase of the time of trouble.
We did an computer search of Russell's works for the phrase "investigative judgment", as well as "investigative judgement" and could not find any place that Russell ever used such a term; we are not sure what the author of "Evidence of Christianity" page is referring to concerning Russell allegedly claiming that in 1914, "we have entered the Investigative Judgement." We suspect, however, that the author has confused Russell with Rutherford, or with what the JWs teach, or perhaps with the 7th Day Adventists.
Did Russell Make a Lot of Money From the Movement?
ABSOLUTELY NOT! If making money was his aim, it would have been a lot easier for him to make a lot of money if he had kept his chain of clothing stores. Instead, he divested himself of his fortune in order to provide funds for the spreading of the Gospel.
Did Russell sell "Miracle Wheat"?
Russell himself did not sell any of Stoner's Miracle Wheat, nor did he originate the name "Miracle Wheat', nor did he originate any of the claims for Stoner's Miracle Wheat.
Was "Miracle Wheat" a scam?
NO!
Was Russell sued regarding Miracle Wheat?
NO!
See:
Did Russell's Wife Divorce Russell Because of Marital Unfaithfulness?
NO! Mrs. Russell stated in court that she was not accusing Russell of adultery.
Was Rutherford hired to keep Russell out of jail?
ABSOLUTELY NOT! No authority was ever threatening to put Russell in jail, thus no lawyer was needed to keep Russell out of jail.
Did Rutherford continue the policies of Russell?
Absolutely NOT! In a very short time after Russell's death, Rutherford virtually destroyed the legal entity that Russell had left, and had reconstructed it so that it would serve as a basis for creating a new religious organization.
Did Russell teach that Jesus is "not deity"?
No, Russell did teach the deity of Christ, but he showed from the scriptures what this deity means.
Did Russell Teach that the Holy Spirit is a force for good, rather than a part of God?
We did a search of Russell's works for the phrase "force for good", and could not find any. We are not sure that Russell ever defined the Holy Spirit as being a "part of God", but as we might speak of our finger as a part of us, so we could refer to God's Holy Spirit as being a part of him, since Jesus referred to God's Holy Spirit as God's finger.
What Russell taught concerning God's Holy Spirit may be found in Studies 8-11  of:
Did Russell teach that the only true acceptable name for God is Jehovah?
The question, in the very way it is asked, is highly deceptive, and is evidently designed with the thought that the English word "Jehovah" is being claimed to be the only acceptable spelling and pronunication of God's Holy Name in English. Russell never taught such an idea (nor, as far as we know, do even the JWs teach such an idea). The Bible, however, only speaks of one Holy Name; it never speaks of Holy Names (plural).
See:
The 144,000 of Revelation 7, 14:
Niether Russell's view or our view is the same as the Jehovah's Witnesses teach. However, ultimately God is the one who will decide who will live in heaven and who will live on earth.
See:
Of course, there were no "JW members" in the days of Russell -- Russell did not believe in such sectarianism; nevertheless, Russell taught that there were many amongst all the Christian sects and denominations that would be in heaven. Our own views, however, although different from Russell's in some applications of scripture, but we acknowledge, as did Russell, that God's true church may be found amongst all the Christian denominations.
Regarding Hell, Soul, Spirit and the condition of the Dead
Did Russell teach there were no true Christians at all until he came to call people back to the true gospel?
No, Russell did not teach such a doctrine.
What about the faithful and discreet slave (faithful and wise servant)?
See our conclusions:
Did Russell Forbid Blood Transfusions?
No.
See our conclusions on this:
What About Holidays?
Regarding the Cross
Did Russell claim to be "the sole interpreter of the Bible"?
No.
Is Jesus the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob?
No, no where in the scriptures is Jesus ever presented as being the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Indeed, Jesus is always distinguished as being sent by the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
See:
Doesn't John 1:1 Say that Jesus is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob?
No. See:
Does John 1:14 say that Jesus is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob?
No.
See:
Does the Bible present Jesus as being uncreated?
No.
See:
Was Jesus Worshiped?
Yes, but not as being the only true God who had sent him. -- John 17:3.
See:
Does a comparison of Colossians 1:16 with Hebrews 2:10 prove that Jesus is Yahweh (Jehovah), the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob?
No.
See:
Does Hebrews 1:2 show that Jesus is the Creator of the entire universe?
No.
See:
Didn't Jesus, by his words recorded in John 8:58, claim to be the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob? (Exodus 3:14)
No.
See:
The rest to be added later, God willing...
One can find that on close examination, however, that none of the scriptures present the idea that Jesus is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. See:
Regarding Eternal Punishment, Hell, Soul, etc.
See:

Some Historical Inaccuracies Related to the Bible Students

By Ronald R. Day, Senior
This post is in response to an alleged "Apologetic Study: Introduction to Jehovah's Witness Beliefs", that appears on a site, evidently owned by Catholic. We are not associated with the Jehovah's Witnesses organization, but the article does present several misleading and/or false statements concerning Charles Taze Russell. The article is presented by Alfredo Nevarez. We do not attack Mr. Nevarez personally, but we do wish to present the facts related to many of his statements, especially as related to Charles Taze Russell. This work is in progress, which means that we will be adding more to this, God willing, as time permits. =================================================
It is claimed that Russell founded the Jehovah's Witnesses in 1872. This is false, since Russell never founded the Jehovah's Witnesses movement at all. Russell was never a member of the Jehovah's witnesses organization, and he did not believe in such an organization. Russell preached against such human authoritarianism, and certainly should not be considered the founder of that in which he did not believe, and which he preached against.
In 1872, however, I am not sure what one considered that Russell founded or started on that day; Russell was associated with a small Bible study group in Allegheny, PA (now part of Pittsburg); that group, however, was not started in 1872, but was already in existence in 1872. Russell does mention that it was 1872 that the group came to a clear understanding of the ransom; however, the JW leadership today has rejected the view as Russell and his associates came to understand in 1872. After Russell died, Rutherford first began to reject the basis of the ransom around 1923, with his new light concerning the second death. In 1938, Rutherford openly rejected the very basis of the Ransom that Russell and his associates had understood in 1872.
See our research: The Watchtower's Self-Contradiction About the Ransom Adam and the Ransom Sacrifice Nevertheless, that small group in 1872 could hardly be the founding point of the Bible Students movement, and most definitely not the founding year of the Jehovah's Witnesses, which was actually founded by Joseph Rutherford after Russell died.
For proof, see the research under Charles Taze Russell and Jehovah's Witnesses
It is asserted that at the age of 20, Russell began preaching that there is no hell. This is misleading, since Russell did preach concerning the Bible hell; he was not preaching that there is "no hell". Russell learned from some of his predecessors what the real Bible hell is, and that is what he began to preach.
See the archive related to Russell and "Hell".
It is asserted that Russell borrowed "heavily from the ideas of J. H. Paton who published his works under the title Day Dawn". Actually, Paton's "Day Dawn" was a rehash of "The Three Worlds" that had been published a few years before by Russell and Barbour. Russell already his his basic understanding of the divine plan befoe he Paton published the "Day Dawn".
It is asserted that Russell went on to claim that his works were divinely inspired; actually Russell, unlike Ellen G. White, disclaimed that his works were divinely inspired from the very beginning. See the Russell archive on "Infallibility".
Russell is referred to as though he were claiming to have been a "prophet" of God. In fact, Russell disclaimed being a prophet, and disclaimed that his conclusions were "prophecy". See our research on Russell and Bible Prophecy
It is asserted that Russell was "forced by federal authorities to return money to farmers whom he had sold his 'miracle wheat'". This is entirely false!!! No government authority ever ordered Russell to return any money concerning the sale of Stoner's "Miracle Wheat. Russell did offer to return the money to anyone who was dissatisfied with the wheat, but not one of those buyers of that wheat requested a refund, and thus none of that money was ever returned. By stating "his" Miracle Wheat, the impression is that Russell himself invented and made the claims for this wheat, which is false. It was Kenneth Stoner who first discovered this wheat, and who reported his own results regarding the wheat. Russell did present Stoner's claims and the claims presented in newspapers reports regarding this "Miracle Wheat", but the "Miracle Wheat" was not Russell's "Miracle Wheat", nor was it Russell or anyone associated with the Bible Students who gave it the name "Miracle Wheat".
It is claimed that "the only miraculous thing about the wheat was it's exhorbant price and outlandish claims." Russell never originated any claim for the wheat, except for the suggestion (not actually a claim) that the wheat may present an indication of the Millennial blessings that are yet to come. The fact is that many farmers testified in the court of validity of the claims of Stoner and others regarding the when wheat; although the Daily Eagle ignored all this, and focused on their alleged many government witnesses (which was actually only one witness who presented some alleged findings of some people who evidently somehow had "tested" a few of the wheat seeds and concluded that they were inferior).
Russell himself did not sell the wheat, nor did he set the price for the wheat. Those Bible Students who sold the wheat set the price at $1.00 a pound, which was 25 cents less than Stoner and some others had been selling the wheat. No one seemed to object to Stoner or anyone else selling the wheat for $1.25 a pound, but they did object to the Bible Students' selling of the wheat for $1.00 a pound.
See our documented research regarding Russell and Stoner's Miracle Wheat
It is being claimed that Russell "under oath in a court in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada, Russell stated that he was an expert Scripture scholar and was fluent in Greek." In fact, the actual court record shows that he disclaimed being a Greek scholar, and certainly that he never claimed to be "fluent in Greek". J.J. Ross very deceitfully rearranged various parts of the court record so as to make it appear that Russell claimed to be an expert. This has been pointed out many times, and yet Ross' deceitfulness continues to be repeated over and over.
See the archives on "Perjury" and "J. J. Ross"
It is being claimed that "in 1897 his wife divorced him for having adulterous affairs with two different women." In fact, the court records show that Mrs. Russell did not claim that Russell was had committed adultery at all. Mrs. Russell presented some hearsay testimony that was designed to marr Russell's character, but she denied that she was claiming that her husband had committed adultery. The testimony concerning this was stricken from the court record, but the Eagle ignored this. At any rate, the court records show that she filed for divorce on the grounds of "mental cruelty". The real reason for their separation to begin with was over the management she sought for the Watch Tower magazine, and her desire to use that magazine to promote her "women's rights" agenda, which Russell refused to allow her to do.
It is claimed "When the judge had ruled against him, Russell immediately transferred his property, worth over $240,000 to the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society." Actually, although this money was legally in Russell's name, it was being held in trust for use by the Watch Tower Society. Mr. Russell had created several side businesses that was intended to create funds for use by the Watch Tower Society, among them the one called "The United States Investment Company". This company was a partnership created by Russell; its capital stock was $1,000. Pastor Russell furnished that $1,000 out of his personal means. Nevetheless, this put any earnings from this "company" legally in Russell's name, although all the funds created through this company as well as other monies that Russell was holding in trust for the Watch Tower Society were eventually to be turned over to the Watch Tower Society. Mrs. Russell knew of this arrangement long before she even separated from Russell.
For more related to this, see the archive "Russell's 'Divorce'"
See also the archive regarding the "United States Investment Company"

Millennial Dawnists

It is stated that this "sect first was formally know as the Millennial Dawnists, then shortly thereafter as Zion's Watch Tower Tract Society." Of course, there was no JW "sect" in the days of Russell; Russell was a non-sectarian who believed that God's people could found amongst all the various denominations and sects that profess to be Christian. In 1881, Russell wrote his first volume of a series of Bible studies which he originally called "Millennial Dawn". Those who believed in the Millennial Kingdom of Christ as outlined in those volumes were dubbed "Millennial Dawnists" by others; this was never a "formal" name that these groups used of themselves.
"Zion's Watch Tower Tract Society" refers to the legal entity; the legal entity name that was used before this was called "Tower Publishing Company", not "Millennial Dawnists". The legal entity itself however is not the association of Bible Students that formed as result of Russell's work. It is correct that in 1896 the name was changed to "Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society"; it continued to have this name until Russell's death in 1916. It is made to appear in the article that Russell, in 1909, changed the name of "Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society" to "People's Pulpit Association", but that also in the same year, 1909, he changed it back to "Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society, which really doesn't make a lot of sense. Actually, "People's Pulpit Association", as a legal entity, was formed in Brooklyn, NY, but this did not do away with the original entity that had been formed in Pennsylvania. In moving the headquarters to Brooklyn, Russell found that, in order to do business in New York, he had to form a new entity in New York. The formation of the new entity, however, did not do away the old entity. Many years after Russell died, Rutherford later had the People Pulpits Association renamed to "Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc."

The Name "Jehovah"

It is claimed that the name Jehovah appears no where in Scripture. It is claimed that the name Jehovah is a mistranslation of the name Yahweh. It appears to be saying that "Yahweh" is found in the original King James Bible; if so, this is definitely false. It is claimed that the KJV "used Greek and Hebrew documents (Textus Recptus) that were later found to have had various mis-tranlations. These were later corrected, but the name Jehovah stuck." Actually, Nevarez presents several false statements that simply do not conform with the facts.
Regarding the English form, "Jehovah": Although many refer to this an English translation, it not actually a translation, but a rendering of the Hebrew name of God into an English form. Translated, it means, "He is, He will be, He causes to be", etc. The English form "Jehovah, as such, is not a different "name" than the name given in the original Hebrew as represented by the Hebrew tetragrammaton of God's Holy Name.
Nevarez appears to be confused concerning "Textus Receptus", since the Textus Receptus contains only the New Testament, which was written in Koine Greek, not Biblical Hebrew. However, the KJV rendering of the Holy Name as "Jehovah" appears not in the New Testament, but in the Old Testament. As far as we know, the Holy Name appears in all the known early Hebrew manuscripts and texts of the Old Testament. The KJV used the Masoretic Text for the Old Testament -- not the Textus Receptus; the Masoretic Text of the Old Testament is still the basic text that is used by most translations, although there are many translations of the Old Testament are based on the Septuagint, or the Latin Vulgate. God's Holy Name appears in the Masoretic text more than 6,000 times.
"Yahweh" also is a English form of that same name. Yahweh is based, not on the Hebrew as often claimed, but is evidently a contracted form of the Holy Name given in Koine Greek. The English form "Jehovah" is based directly on one of the forms given in the Hebrew Masoretic text. Neither form (Jehovah/Yahweh) has anything to do with the Greek Textus Receptus, which does not contain the name as either Jehovah or Yahweh. The Textus Receptus, based on the Greek manuscripts that do the same, usually presents the Holy Name in Greek words that are transliterated as KURIOS (Lord), THEOS (God), or some other word. The Textus Receptus does have the poetic short from of God's Holy Name in the term often rendered as "Hallelujah", meaning "Praise Jah". The Textus Receptus also retains the short form the Holy Name in various Hebrew names as rendered into the Koine Greek. Of course, neither the English form "Jehovah", nor the English form "Yahweh", can be found in either the Hebrew or Greek manuscripts as such, since neither language is English, and neither language complies completely with English spelling and phonemes. Indeed, there is a degree of uncertainly as to how phonemes were applied in both ancient Hebrew and Koine Greek, and then there is a further degree of being inaccurate in transliterating words with the same exact phonemes of the original Hebrew and Koine Greek.
Indeed, none of the English forms of any Bible name given any in any English translation can be found in either the Hebrew manuscripts of the Old Testament, nor in the Greek manuscripts of the New Testament, not the form "Jesus", "Joshua", "Yeshua", "Yahshua", "Elijah", "Eliyah", "Elias", and on and on -- none of these are in the original Hebrew Bible nor in the original Greek Bible.
See our studies on God's Holy Name:

Denouncement and Hatred of All Religions

It is claimed that in 1872 Russell "stated that God rejected all existing Churches and that from thenceforward only Russell and his followers would be God's spokesmen." This is highly misleading. Russell did believe that in 1878, God's favor to the "nominal church" ended, as Jesus found the denominational systems of confusion to be wanting, and thus the invitation came to for God's people to get out of her. Russell did not set forth the claim that henceforth, "only Russell and his followers" would be God's spokesmen, although some statements, taken out of context, and placed in the context of present-day JW theology, could lead one to that conclusion. We do not, however, agree with all of Russell's conclusions regarding 1874. We may present more research related to this later, but to see what research we have done to date related to 1878 as related to claims people are making concerning Charles Taze Russell, see: Charles Taze Russell and 1878

Christ is not God

Although this section is directed towards the Jehovah's Witnesses, since we also believe that the Anointed One is not God, the Supreme Being, we will address this briefly. Of itself, the word "Christ", as applied to Jesus, indicates the one anointed by Jehovah, thus the word "Christ" itself indicates that Jesus is not God.* (Psalm 2:2; 45:7; Isaiah 61:1) The default reasoning should be that Jesus is NOT Jehovah who anointed him. The wording given in the "History" concerning what Russell believed concerning Michael the Archangel is worded in such a way as to leave a false impression. See: Russell and Michael the Archangel Michael the Archangel ========= * Our trinitarian neightbors, of course, invent and add to the scriptures the idea that it was one person of God who anointed another person of God, and thus explain away such scriptures by reading this idea into the scriptures. In reality, the scriptures are completely at harmony with each other without reading all of the trinitarian assumption into the scriptures.
Charles Taze Russell never denied the divinity of Christ, but he did show from the Bible how that divinity, as it would be applied by scriptural words to Jesus in the Bible, does not mean that Jesus is Jehovah, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Russell stayed very close to the Bible on this subject, rather than all of the assumptions and additons to the Bible that the trintiarian dogma calls for.
For those who wish to search the scriptures for what they do say and what they do not say on regarding what other matters mentioned in this subheading, we recommend the following studies:

The Second Coming is Imminent... Again and Again

This heading is highly misleading, especially from the standpoint of Charles Taze Russell, since Russell, in 1876 adopted the belief from Barbour that Christ had returned in 1874, and he held to that belef until he died in 1916. He never spoke of second coming of Christ as being at any other time than 1874.
It is claimed that Russell adopted "the Adventist idea that the world would end any day". If by "Adventist", the "Second Adventists" are meant, actually, Russell rejected the Adventist's view of the end of the world. He rejected the idea that the planet earth and the whole material universe would and that only few of earth's billions would saved. In 1870, Russell rejected the Second Adventist idea of the end of the world, and never, until the day he died, accepted the Second Adventist idea of the end of the world. However, "Adventist" today often means to most people, 7th Day Adventist. Russell rarely used the expression "the end of the world" because, to many, that expression meant the end of the planet earth. He pointed out the in the Greek, it does not speak of the end of the world, but rather of the end of the age.
If by Adventist, the 7th Day Adventists is meant, Russell never adopted their view at all.
It is claimed that Russell "claimed to have calculated the year [of the end of the world] as 1874." Before 1874, it was not Russell, but rather Nelson Barbour and his associates who had "calculated" from the scriptures that Christ would return in 1874, and thus that the "end of world" was to be expected then. Russell rejected all of the dates set forth by any of the Second Adventist until the year 1876 (about two years AFTER 1874), when he accepted Barbour's conclusion that Christ had already returned in 1874 as a spirit being. Sometime before 1874, Russell reported that he and the Bible study group he was associated with had already concluded that Christ was to return in the spriit, not in the flesh, since Jesus had sacrficed his flesh for our sins. He had not, however, set any date for the return of Christ, nor had he accepted any of the dates set forth by the Second Adventists, on up to 1876, two years after 1874. In 1876, he accepted Barbour's conclusion that Christ had already returned -- invisibly -- in 1874.
Although speaking of Jehovah's Witneses
It is asserted that Russell claimed that Jesus did not actually return to earth, but rather "only to the 'upper air'". In reality, Russell never mentioned anything about "upper air", whatever that is supposed to mean. Russell did believe that Christ had returned invisibly to earth in 1874.
Armageddon in 1914 The statement is made that Russell "stated that Armageddon would begin in 1914." From 1904 on to 1914, yes, Russell was indeed expecting Armageddon to begin in 1914. However, the statement, as it stands in the context of the following statement, would imply that Russell was expecting something that he was not expecting. Russell did not believe in the Armageddon that the JWs preach; his idea of Armageddon was that it was a period of time in which the peoples of the nations would chastised (not eternally destroyed) in preparation for the Kingdom. It is stated: "While WWII did begin in 1914, by coincidence, the earth and all Churches were not destroyed." That Armageddon was to begin in 1914 does not necessarily mean the end of the churches, and most definitely Russell not expecting the end of the planet earth at any time whatsoever.
At this point a little history may be relevant:
In 1876, Russell accepted Barbour's conclusion that Armageddon (the time of trouble) had already begun in 1874 and that it would last until 1914 (40 years); shortly after 1880, Russell rejected Barbour's conclusion that Armageddon (as representing the time of trouble) had begun in 1874, but still believed that Armageddon would begin sometime before 1914 (1910 or 1911 was given as suggested dates), and that Armageddon would end, not begin in 1914. In 1904 (tens years BEFORE 1914), Russell realized that the ending of the Gentile Times would not signal the end of Armageddon, but the beginning of Armageddon. Russell held to this latter view on up to his death in 1916. Nevertheless, one should especially note -- for historical accuracy -- that it was NOT UNTIL 1904 that Russell stated that Armageddon was to begin in 1914, not back in the 1870s as implied in the statement given.
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The following are notes related to some assorted points brought up on the "history", which we hope to get better organized later.
Russell never claimed to be have "authority" over the church or any any of the Bible Students groups; he claimed to be a fellow-servant of Christ. Others claimed such for him, but he refused such authority until the day he died.
For proof see, the archive regarding Russell and "Sole Channel/Authority" http://ctr.rlbible.com/?cat=75
Russell preached against anyone being a "follower" of Russell. See: Russellism http://ctr.rlbible.com/?cat=809
Making the assertion concerning followers of Russell in the context of the JW organization also leaves the impression that Russell formed such an organization. Russell was actually a non-sectarian who believed that members of the true church could be found among all the various denominations that claimed to be Christian. See Russell and Church Organization http://ctr.rlbible.com/?cat=17
Futhermore, it appears to be implying that Russell rejected 1874 as the date Christ returned, and that he was "then" claiming that Christ was to return in 1914; if this is the thought, it is incorrect. In 1876, two years after 1874, Russell accepted that Christ had returned in 1874, and he held to that view until he died in 1916; he never said anything about Christ as returning in 1914.
Additionally, by stating "Armageddon would begin in 1914" in the context of "Jehovah's Witnesses", it leaves the impression with the reader that Russell was expecting what the JWs preach concerning "Armageddon", that is, that virtually everyone earth except the JWs are eternally destroyed. Russell did not believe in this; indeed, this is similar to the "end of the world" expectations held by most of the "Second Adventists" which he rejecte and which preached against. Russell believed that "Armageddon" was a period of time in which the peoples of the nations would be chatised (not eternally destroyed) in preparation for dthe kingdom blessings to follow. Thus, his original acceptance of Barbour's view that Armageddon was to end in 1914 did not mean that he was expecting millions of unbelievers to be eternally destroyed in 1914, but rather that Satan would have been abyssed and the blessings of the peoples could begin. Of course, in 1904, Russell rejected that earlier view and began to realize that time of trouble was to begin, not end, in 1914, which would then delay the removal of denominationalism until sometime after 1914.
The main thing that Russell was expecting for 1914 was the beginning of the time of trouble, within which to bring about the destruction of Babylon, denominationalism, which Russell often referred to as "the churches", meaning the denominational churches. Russell expected that with the beginning of the time of trouble, it would not be long afterwards that "the church" denominatinal systems would also pass away. Indeed, God is not going to allow such denominational divisions to continue on into the Kingdom Age. Such denominatinal divisions is indeed the product of Satan, not of God. Once Satan is abyssed, the people will certainly have been freed from such denominationalism. Russell died in 1916 rejoicing in seeing that the time of trouble had begun in 1914, although he realized that he had been in error in expecting too much happen as quickly as he expected.
Rutherford took control after Russell died. Russell did not die until October of 1916. Russell himself died still holding to the belief that Christ had returned in 1874, and that the time of trouble had begun in 1914. Russell himself held no expectations regarding 1916 itself; he died with the belief that that their was still a lot of work yet to be done.
However, Rutherford never moved the date 1914 to 1916; if he would have done so, it would have needed to have been done before Russell died in October of 1916, which would not at all fit historical facts. As far as I can determine, the only one(s) who regarding 1916 to have Biblical significance was Paul S. L. Johnson and those who accepted his conclusions. Johnson used a lot of what he thought to be types and antitypal parallels to designate the year 1916, but he did not replace 1914 with 1916. Nor did Johnson point to the year 1916 before 1916 had arrived. He claimed that in 1916 the last member of the 144,000 were sealed, and that since then all who consecrated themselves were of the "youthful worthies", those Russell had referred to as "consecrating between the ages".
Rutherford, however, deceitfully took control after Russell died; he rejected Russell's provisions for the WTS and deceitfully had new by-laws passed by the shareholders who had never read what was in those new by-laws. Effectually, in a few weeks after Russell died, Rutherford had destroyed the WTS as Russell had intended for it to be, and replaced it with a new WTS that he could use to promote his "organization" dogma. Indeed, Russell rarely used the word "organization" related to the WTS, and when he did, it was simply in the sense of corporate organization, not in the sense that Rutherford and his associates began promoting that term as early as December of 1916. Rutherford's methods were very insidious however, and while the majority of those working at Bethel headquarters realized what he was doing and stopped supporting him, it took much longer for those associated with the Bible Students to realize what course Rutherford was taking. Neverthless, by 1928, the Bible Students as whole, represented by the vast majority (well over 75%) had rejected Rutherford's "Jehovah's visible organization" dogma. The Bible Students -- as a whole -- never became "Jehovah's Witnesess"; the Bible Students still exist today, aside from the JW organization.
Rutherford led his followers into accepting another gospel rather than the good news of great joy that will be for all the people that Russell preached, and that the Bible Students still preach today. Rutherford began promoting an alleged gospel that, in effect, is "bad tidings of great woe for most of the people" that they and their children may be eternally destroyed in Armageddon if they do not come to and submit to Rutherford and his organization (which he claimed to be "Jehovah's organization") for salvation. This, indeed, is a "good news" that was almost the very opposite of what Russell preached, and which the Bible Students still preach today.

Tuesday, May 16, 2017

Who Is Jesus? (Reply to Will Daniels) (moved)

 Moved to:
https://jesusnotyhwh.blogspot.com/2023/03/whoisjesus.html

Trinitarian Formula in Scripture?

Aside from Matthew 28:19 one has presented several scriptures that evidently are being alleged to contain trinitarian and plural formulas that explain God. I decided to examine these scriptures in this post. I have examined Matthew 28:19 in my study at in my study on the "Baptismal Name"
Matthew 3:16,17
Matthew 3:16 Jesus, when he was baptized, went up directly from the water: and behold, the heavens were opened to him. He saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove, and coming on him. Matthew 3:17 Behold, a voice out of the heavens said, "This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased."
Here "God" the phrase "Spirit of God" is clearly presented as being only one person or individual. There is no "formula" here about "God" being three persons or three individuals. The scripture does present the unipersonal "God", and it also speaks of the "Spirit" of that unipersonal God, and it also speaks about the Son of the unipersonal God, but "God" is presented as being only one person.
See also my study on my website: http://jesus-rlbible.com/?p=2651
1 Peter 1:2 according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, to obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace to you and peace be multiplied.
Here "God" is presented as being only one person, in harmony with John 17:1,3 and 1 Corinthians 8:6; there is no formula here that speaks of God as being being more than one person. "The Spirit" obviously refers to the "Spirit" of the unipersonal Lord Jehovah of Isaiah 61:1, and the term Jesus Christ designates Jesus, not as being "God", or a person of "God", but rather it designates Jesus as being the one anointed by the unipersonal Jehovah, the only true God who sent Jesus. -- Isaiah 61:1; John 17:1,3.
See also my study on my website at: http://jesus-rlbible.com/?p=1064
2 Corinthians 13:14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Spirit, be with you all. Amen.
Again, we find that, in harmony with John 17:1,3 and 1 Corinthians 8:6, "God" is presented as being only person. "The Lord Jesus Christ" designates "Jesus", not as being God or a person of God, but as the one whom the unipersonal God has anointed and made "lord". (Psalm 2:26; 45:7; Isaiah 61:1; Ezekiel 34:23,24; John 10:29; 17:1,3; Acts 2:23,36; 4:27; 10:38; Hebrews 1:9) There is definitely no "formula" in 2 Corinthians 13:14 that would offer support to the added-on trinity dogma.
See also my study on my website at: http://jesus-rlbible.com/?p=1055
Proverbs 30:4 Who has ascended up into heaven, and descended? Who has gathered the wind in his fists? Who has bound the waters in his garment? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is his name, and what is his son's name, if you know? John 1:18 No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten god who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him. -- New American Standard, with "God" changed to "god" as applied to the Son of God.
I am not sure at all what might be thought to anything near any trinitarian "formula" in these verses. Proverbs 30:4 speaks of God as only one person and it speaks of the Son of that one person; John 1:18 (as it reads in earlier manuscripts) speaks of the Father as being "God", and it speaks of another "god" who is "begotten". It should be obvious, however, that "god" as applied to the Son of the Father is not being used in the sense of the Supreme Being, but rather as a mighty one who was brought forth into being.
Psalms 110:1-4 A declaration of Jehovah to my Lord: Sit at My right hand, until I place Your enemies as Your footstool.[2] Jehovah shall send the rod of Your strength out of Zion to rule in the midst of Your enemies.[3] Your people shall have willingness in the day of Your might; in the majesties of holiness; from the womb of the dawn, to You is the dew of Your youth.[4] Jehovah has sworn and will not repent: You are a priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek. -- Green's Literal.
Definitely no "formula" here that offers any support of the added-on triune God dogma. Jehovah is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. David's Lord is not presented as being Jehovah, or a person of Jehovah. The default reasoning is that David's Lord is not Jehovah.
See also my study on my website: http://jesus-rlbible.com/?p=1521
Psalm 2:11-12 Serve Jehovah with fear; yea, rejoice with trembling.[12] Kiss the Son, lest He be angry, and you perish from the way, when His wrath is kindled but a little. Oh the blessings of all those who flee to Him for refuge! -- Green's Literal.
Again, we find nothing at all offers any "formula" that would support the added-on trinitarian dogma. The Son is not presented as being a person of Jehovah, but is the Son of Jehovah.
Isaiah 48:16 “Come near me and listen to this: “From the first announcement I have not spoken in secret; at the time it happens, I am there.” And now the Sovereign [Jehovah] has sent me, endowed with his Spirit. -- New International Version, Holy Name restored by me in brackets.
Isaiah here declares that Jehovah had sent him along with Jehovah's Holy Spirit. If one assumes that Isaiah was speaking there as the Messiah, then it was the Messiah who whom Jehovah sent along with Jehovah's Spirit, which is in agreement with Isaiah 11:2; 61:1; John 17:1,3, etc. There is again definitely nothing here that offers any trinitarian "formula". Jehovah is presented as being one person or individual, and the one whom Jehovah sent is not presented as being a person of Jehovah who sent, nor is Jehovah's spirit presented as being a person of the Jehovah.
See my study on my website; http://jesus-rlbible.com/?p=587
Genesis 3:22 And Jehovah God said, Behold! The man has become as one of Us, to know good and evil. And now, lest he put forth his hand and also take from the Tree of Life, and eat, and live forever, -- Green's Literal.
Again, there is nothing presented here that is some kind of "formula" that offers any proof of a triune God. Green, being a trinitarian, evidently imagined and assumed that "us" refers to the alleged three persons of the added-on trinity dogma, and thus capitalized "Us". Of course, imagining and assuming such does not make it so. The Bible does not directly state who the "us" is, but this does not mean that one needs to imagine, assume, add to and read into what is stated that Jehovah was refer to Himself as being more than one person.
Here are few things one could surmise from what is given in the Bible: With Jehovah at that time were many elohim (mighty ones: Psalm 8:5; Hebrews 5:7), "sons of God" (Job 38:4-7), including the one who is later called Satan (Job 1:6-12), devil and the old serpent (Revelation 12:9), as well as the firstborn creature who later became Jesus. (Colossians 1:15) . Jehovah, of course, had intuitive knowledge of good and bad; when Satan sinned through ambition, he certainly then had some knowledge not only of good, but also of bad. The other spirit "sons of God" had such knowledge by Satan's example.
See also my study on my website: http://jesus-rlbible.com/?p=646
Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. - KJV.
Definitely no trinitarian formula at all presented in this verse.
If I say to my son, "Let us build our house according to our plans," no one would think that I am saying that my son is a person of myself, or that my son and I are two persons of one sentient being (as is claimed by the added-on trinitarian dogma: three persons all of whom are wholly one omniscient being).
Revelation 5:12-13 saying with a loud voice, "Worthy is the Lamb who has been killed to receive the power, riches, wisdom, might, honor, glory, and blessing!" [13] I heard every created thing which is in heaven, on the earth, under the earth, on the sea, and everything in them, saying, "To him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb be the blessing, the honor, the glory, and the dominion, forever and ever. Amen." -- World English.
Again, we do not find any formula that would give one reason to add the triune God dogma to the Bible. "Him who sits on the throne" refers to the only true Supreme Being, and "the Lamb" refers to Jesus whom the only true Suprme Being sent into the world as the Lamb of God. The Lamb proved himself obedient to death and thus is recognized as worthy of being exalted by the only true Supreme to with power, so that at the name of Jesus all should bow to the glory of the only true God. .– Acts 2:33,36; 5:31; Philippians 2:8-10; Ephesians 1:3,17-23; 1 Corinthians 15:27; Hebrews 1:4; 1 Peter 3:22.
Throughout the Bible, we find that Jehovah, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is ALWAYS presented as being one person or individual; Jehovah is not once presented as being more than one person or individual. In the Bible, we find that Jehovah, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, is the only true Supreme Being who sent Jesus; Jesus speaks the words given to him from the only true Supreme Being. — Exodus 3:13,14; Deuteronomy 18:15-19; Isaiah 61:1; John 3:34; 5:19; 6:29; 7:16,28; 8:26,28,42; 10:36; 12:44-50; 14:10,24; 17:1,3,8; Acts 3:13-26; 1 Corinthians 8:6; Galatians 4:4; Hebrews 1:1,2; 1 John 4:9,10.
The default reasoning is that Jesus is NOT Jehovah, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob who sanctified and sent His son into the world of mankind. — Isaiah 61:1; John 3:17; 5:36,37; 6:38,57; 8:42; 10:36; 17:1,3; Romans 8:3; Galatians 4:4; 1 John 4:9-14.
As with all scriptures presented to that are supposed to prove or give support to the added-on trinity dogma, we find that one has to imagine the triune God concept beyond what is written, and then based on forumulated assumptions beyond what is written, one has to add such assumptions to the scriptures, and one has to read such assumptions into what is actually written, all of which is against the default reasoning.

Examining a List of Scriptures Claimed to Prove that Jesus is Jehovah (Incomplete)

There is a list of scriptures that has been presented, that is evidently alleged to show that Jesus is Jehovah, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. I have examined most of these scriptures already elsewhere, and in every case what is actually presented as proof is either what has to be imagined, assumed, added to, and read into the scriptures, are else depends on the translation of scriptures in such a way that would make it appear that there is something in the scripture that would mean that Jesus is the Supreme Being.

Hebrews 1:5
For to which of the angels did He ever say: "You are My Son, Today I have begotten You"? [Psalm 2:7] And again: "I will be to Him a Father, And He shall be to Me a Son"? -- New King James Version.
It is stated that Hebrews 1:5 is not speaking of Jesus' being created. I agree that Hebrews 1:5 isn't speaking directly of Jesus' creation. In Hebrews 1:5, however, "he" who is speaking his son is the unipersonal "God" of Hebrews 1:1. This the same one whom Jesus identified as the "only true God" in John 17:1,3. He who anointed and sent Jesus is identified in Isaiah 61:1 as "the Lord Jehovah". Thus, the only true is the Lord Jehovah, and Jesus excluded himself from being that "only true God" by saying that the only true God had sent him.

See my studies: 

John 3:16
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. -- New King James Version.
The word "begotten" never means "uncreated", and always means that one who is begotten was brought forth into being. It never means that which is being spoken of was never brought forth into being. No one actually disputes this except as it may be applied to Jesus. Jesus was indeed the firstborn creature, having been brought forth before the all that was made by means of him. (Colosians 1:15,16)
See my study: 

Hebrews 1:3
His Son is the radiance of his glory, the very image of his substance, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself made purification for our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high. -- World English translation.
"His" is the only true God of Hebrews 1:1; Isaiah 61:1 and John 17:1,3, the God and Father of Jesus. Jesus is here said to sit at the right hand of Jehovah (Psalm 110:1); he is not being spoken of as Jehovah. It was the only true God who exalted Jesus to this position of glory, far above the angels.
In the Bible, we find that Jehovah (Yahweh) is the only true God, the God and Father of the Lord Jesus. Jesus has One who is the Supreme Being over him; Jesus is not his Supreme Being whom he worships, prays to, and who sent him, and whose will he carried out in willful obedience. -- Deuteronomy 18:15-19; Matthew 4:4 (Deuteronomy 8:3; Luke 4:4); Matthew 4:7 (Deuteronomy 6:16); Matthew 4:10 (Exodus 20:3-5; 34:14; Deuteronomy 6:13,14; 10:20; Luke 4:8); Matthew 22:29-40; Matthew 26:42; Matthew 27:46; Mark 10:6 (Genesis 1:27; Genesis 2:7,20-23); Mark 14:36; 15:34; Luke 22:42; John 4:3; 5:30; 6:38; 17:1,3; 20:17; Romans 15:6; 2 Corinthians 1:3; 11:31; Ephesians 1:3,17; Hebrews 1:9; 10:7; 1 Peter 1:3; Revelation 2:7; 3:2,12


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Micah 5:2
But you, O Bethlehem Eph'rathah, who are little to be among the clans of Judah, from you shall come forth for me one who is to be ruler in Israel, whose origin is from of old, from ancient days. -- Revised Standard Version.
Many translations render the latter as from "everlasting" or from "eternity". However, the same translations no where else render the Hebrew phrase as "from everlasting" or "from eternity". Thus, an exception is made only in Micah 5:2, evidently for the very purpose of making it appear that Jesus is uncreated. Thus, to make an exception in Micah 5:2 so as render it as "from everlasting" or "from eternity" in Micah 5:2 is actually based on circular reasoning. Micah 5:2 does not prove that Jesus did not have a beginning.

Son of God

It is being claimed that if "Jesus can't be called God because he is also called "Son of God", then if I use this form of reasoning, he can't be called "Son of Man" either." This appears to be based on the trinitarian assumptions related to "Son of God" and "Son of Man", ignoring that the title, "Son of the Man" designates Jesus as the son of the man, David, the Messianic heir. In reality, there is nothing at all in the expression "Son of God" that means that Jesus is the Supreme Being of whom he is the son.
See what I have presented at: Son of Man and Son of God

John 20:28
apekrithee thwmas kai eipen autw ho kurios mou ANSWERED THOMAS AND HE SAID TO HIM THE LORD OF ME 061 2381 2532 1511_7 0846_5 3588 2962 1473_2 kai ho theos mou AND THE GOD OF ME! 2532 3588 2316 1473_2 Westcott & Hort Interlinear
Nothing in John 20:28 means that Thomas was referring to Jesus, who was standing before Thomas with body of flesh and bones, as being the Supreme Being. To reason thus would, in effect, by the context, tend make the Supreme Being to be the flesh and bones that was before Thomas. See my study: "My Lord and My God."

John 1:1
John 1:1 en archee een ho logos kai ho logos een pros IN BEGINNING WAS THE WORD, AND THE WORD WAS TOWARD 1722 0746 1511_3 3588 3056 2532 3588 3056 1511_3 4314 ton theon kai theos een ho logos THE GOD, AND GOD WAS THE WORD. 3588 2316 2532 2316 1511_3 3588 3056 Westcott & Hort Interlinear
Scripture no where depicts Jesus as being "God", the Supreme Being, although many translations would make it appear so. In the very, very few instances where it is claimed that forms of the Hebrew word often transliterated as EL, or the forms of the Greek word often transliterated as THEOS, are applied to Jesus, the default reasoning should not be to imagine and assume that such application means that Jesus is the Supreme Being, but, in harmony with the Scriptural Hebraic usage of such words, one should conclude that such usage as applied to Jesus is describing Jesus as being mighty, a mighty one, as it is often used in the Bible, not as meaning Supreme Being. In other words, Hebrew forms of the word EL, and therefore, its corresponding forms as found in the Greek transliterated as THEOS are applicable to anyone to whom God has given special power or might, whether man, angel, our Lord Jesus, or the Supreme Being Himself. In the KJV, for instance, the Hebrew word EL in Psalm 82:1 is rendered, not as "God" or "god", but as "mighty", referring collectively to the Sons of the Most High spoken of in Psalm 82:6. In John 1:1, since Jesus stated that the one whom he had been with is the only true God (John 17:1,3,5), it should be apparent that THEOS as applied to the Logos is not being used in the sense of Supreme Being, but rather in the sense of "mighty". Jesus, the Logos of God, "was" (past tense), mighty in his being before he became flesh.

Jesus was in indeed "mighty" (THEOS) -- a mighty being -- before he became flesh (John 1:1), but he was never the Almighty Jehovah. In studies, I have found at least four different ways that the Hebrews used forms of the word for "God":

(1) The MIGHTY ONE, the only one who is MIGHTY of himself (not receiving His might from anyone else), which corresponds to our common usage of “God” as meaning “the Supreme Being”, the “Almighty” Yahweh. Only He is the source of all (1 Corinthians 8:6)

(2) False gods — so-called gods who by nature have no might at all to do anything (Deuteronomy 4:28; Daniel 5:23; Isaiah 45:20; Galatians 4:8; 1 Corinthians 8:5).

(3) Mighty ones who are such because the only true Supreme Being has given them special power or authority, either directly or by allowance, such as Moses to Pharoah (Exodus 7:1), the sons of the Most High (Psalm 82:1,6; John 10:34-36), and the angels (Psalm 8:5; compare Hebrews 2:7), and others (1 Samuel 28:13; Ezekiel 32:21; 2 Corinthians 4:4), including Jesus (John 1:1, possibly also in Psalm 45:6; John 20:28 and Hebrews 1:8).

(4) General might, power, great, etc. — Genesis 31:29; Deuteronomy 28:32; Nehemiah 5:5; Psalm 36:6; Proverbs 3:27.

Anyone can verify that the KJV translates the words for god, at least in the Old Testament, with words such strength, might, mighty, etc. In Psalm 82:1 of the KJV, the Hebrew word for "God" is translated as "mighty". Applying this same principle to the one whom the only true Supreme Being sent (Isaiah 61:1; John 17:1,3), in John 1:1, we would have "the Word was mighty". http://beta.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/hebrew/kjv/el.html http://beta.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/hebrew/kjv/elohiym.html

John 1:18
No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him. -- John 1:18, New American Standard
The translators of New American Standard, believing Jesus to be the Supreme Being, capitalized the word "God" to make it appear that Jesus is the Supreme Being. The Supreme Being, however, was never begotten, are brought forth into being. Jesus was indeed the first one and only one to be brought forth as a mighty spirit being, having been brought forth before the angels, who are also referred to as "gods". -- Psalm 8:5; Hebrews 2:7.
In John 1:18, Jesus is distinguished from the only true God who sent him (John 17:1,3), thus Jesus is not being depicted as being the only true God.

Titus 2:13
Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ. — King James Version
As this reads in the KJV, it does not apply "God" to Jesus; many other translations, however, would have that Jesus is "the great God" here. If, in this verse, Paul did apply the Greek word transliterated as THEOS to Jesus (which is highly unlikely), it still would not mean that should imagine and assume that Paul was applying in the sense of Supreme Being.
See my study: The Great God

John 5:23
That all may honor the Son, even as they honor the Father. He who doesn't honor the Son doesn't honor the Father who sent him. -- Wold English
Evidently, it is being imagined and assumed that there is something in John 5:23 that means that Jesus is the Supreme Being. Actually, the context shows that this power and authority is being given to Jesus from the only true God who sent Jesus. This harmonizes with 1 Corinthians 8:6: the God and Father of Jesus is the source of all; Jesus is the agent used by the only true God. If the president of the company assigns one the authority and power to another to act on his behalf, and thus tells everyone to give him the same honor as would be given to himself, this does not mean that the one so assigned IS the president. See my related study: Jesus Received Worship

Below presents links to studies related; I may return later to add more comments. If no link is provided, it probably means I have written anything related to that scripture as yet, and will, God willing, have to return to it later.

(Honor) 
Hebrews 3:3,4 - There is definitely nothing in these verses that means that the honor that due to Jesus is that of being the Supreme Being. All is of the only true Supreme Being, through the one whom the only true Supreme has made both lord and Christ. — Psalm 2:26; 45:7; Isaiah 61:1; Ezekiel 34:23,24; John 10:29; 17:1,3; Acts 2:23,36; 4:27; 10:38; Hebrews 1:9.

(Glory)
2 Timothy 4:18 - See the study: Who is Over All

Hebrews 13:20 - God in this verse is presented as only one person; Jesus is distinguished from God; probably meant to be Hebrews 13:21. Hebrews 13:21 refers to glory -- in the sense of praise -- being offered to Jesus; it does not say that Jesus' glory is the glory of the only true Supreme Being.

1 Peter 4:11 - God is presented as being one person and Jesus is distinguished from the Supreme Being. The glory that is given to Jesus is to the glory of the God and Father of Jesus, “that in all things God may be glorified through Jesus Christ”. – Matthew 9:8; 15:31; Luke 17:16; 13:13; 17:15; 23:47; John 5:23; 13:31,32; 21:19; Ephesians 1:17; Romans 15:6; Philippians 2:11; 1 Peter 4:11.

2 Peter 3:18 - See the study: Who is Over All

Romans 16:27 - The Unipersonal God is glorified through Jesus. Nothing in this means that we need to imagine, assume, add to, and read into this that Jesus is the Supreme Being.

Jude 1:25 - Speaks of the God and Father of Jesus; it is not speaking of Jesus. See: To the Only Wise God

Revelation 5:12,13 - Nothing here says that Jesus is the Supreme Being. Both the Supreme Being and Jesus do receive glory; this does not mean that one needs to imagine and assume that Jesus is the Supreme Being. The Lamb proved himself obedient to death and thus is recognized as worthy of being exalted by the only true Supreme Being with power, so that at the name of Jesus all should bow to the glory of the only true God. .– Acts 2:33,36; 5:31; Philippians 2:8-10; Ephesians 1:3,17-23; 1 Corinthians 15:27; Hebrews 1:4; 1 Peter 3:22. See: Jesus Received Worship

(Worship) See the studies under "Worship of Jesus"

Matthew 2:2 -- See the study: Jesus Received Worship

Philippians 2:10 - See: Jesus Received Worship and The Unipersonal God Exalted Jesus


Revelation 5:12,13- See: Jesus Received Worship

(Prayer) - John 14:14; Acts 1:24; Acts 7:59; 1 Corinthians 1:2; - Evidently it is thought that prayer or spiritual conversation directed to Jesus is proof that Jesus is God. See my study: Jesus As an Object of Prayer

1 Corinthians 1:2, Acts 1:24, Acts 1:25, Acts 7:59, Acts 7:60, John 14:12, John 14:13, John 14:14,
Romans 10:11 - This is probably referring to Jehovah, the God and Father of Jesus, not to Jesus. 

Nevertheless, to call upon the name of Jesus is also to call upon the name of Him who sent Jesus. See: Whoever Will Call Upon the Name of Jehovah

1 Corinthians 16:22- Making an expression to Jesus to "come" does not mean that we need to imagine, assume and read into the scripture that Jesus is the Supreme Being.

2 Corinthians 12:8 - "The Lord" as it appears here in most translations is probably a replacement of God's Holy Name. Regardless, it offers no proof that Jesus is Jehovah.

Revelation 22:20,21 - John did address Jesus, saying, "Come, Lord Jesus". This does not mean that one needs to imagine and assume that Jesus is the Supreme Being.
(Song) Obviously, singing a song directed to Jesus, or about Jesus, does not mean that Jesus is the Supreme Being. Jehovah is glorified in all the the praise given to Jesus. All is "through Jesus Christ, to the glory and praise of God." (Philippians 1:11; 1 Corinthians 8:6) All the songs sung to Jesus are "to the glory of God, the Father." -- Philippians 2:11.

Ephesians 5:19 - "Speaking to one another in psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs; singing, and singing praises in your heart to [Jehovah]." (World English, with the Holy Name restored as "Jehovah") More than likely, this is speaking of singing praise to the God and Father of Jesus.
Revelation 5:9 - "God" here is depicted as one person, not as three persons, as he is so depicted throughout the entire Bible. Jesus presented his blood in sacrifice to the only true God. -- Ephesians 5:2; Hebrews 9:14.

Philippians 2:6-11 - "God" is depicted in these verses, not as three persons, but as only one person, and Jesus is distinguished from that one person throughout. It is the unipersonal God who made Jesus both Lord and Christ, who exalted Jesus, so that all should bow before Jesus, to the glory of the only true God, the God and Father of Jesus. Nothing in this means that we need to imagine and assume that Jesus is the Supreme Being, or that we need to imagine and assume that Jesus is a person of the Supreme Being, etc. See my studies: "The Humility of Mind", "The Unipersonal God Exalted Jesus", "Philippians 2:6,7 and the Greek Morphe", and "Was the Holy Name Changed to 'Jesus'?"

I will, God willing, come back to this later. Last update 1/23/2015